steepwithdead | Folkmore

From the conversation we had? No, he seems reluctant to even do that. [All Leo really wants is Donnie to apologize to Casey.] Since we're just doing this 'to make ourselves feel better' and we're 'wasting our time'.

Edited 2025-11-13 06:47 (UTC)

...He... has quite the cynical view of his family, doesn't he.

[Yikes. Yikeronis. The very concept is incredibly alien to him.]

Pretty sure, he just hates himself. [After this long? Leo unfortunately knows that is probably what is going on.] Can't really fix that, or help him with it very easily.

Unfortunately not. I'm... familiar with that issue.

[Caleb was probably the worst of the group, but many of the Nein struggled with some form of self-loathing. It's gotten better. Takes a while, takes effort and kinder experiences.]

It can help to give them a pathway towards self-love, instead. Emotional growth, accomplishments they can be proud of. Time, care, and support. As you said- not easy. It never happens overnight, if it happens at all.

Given your knack for helping people, I'm not too surprised you've run into it before. [Caduceus has a need to help people, far as the turtle can tell. A deep well of compassion.]

When things are calmer, I'll reach out to again. Leave the door open for him. Best I can even do.

I only wish it wasn't so common that I've come across it multiple times before.

[He truly wishes for people to love themselves, as they deserve. The list of those who should hate themselves, in his mind, is very short.]

It's a good plan. Things are heated right now, you both need to cool down.

You'll probably unfortunately keep running into it. It's a lot easier to hate yourself than love yourself. [He's speaking from experience, though he doesn't get into it.]

It'll keep me from throttling him or somehow making this worse.

Unfortunate is the word.

[Ah, well. He's working on it, one suffering soul at a time.]

Throttling him definitely will not help.

It'd make me feel better. [He grumps back vaguely.] What about my mental health, huh?

[He's not being particularly serious.]

You've been taking care of your mental health in a less violent way, if I recall.

[You literally saw him for therapy?]

Sounds fake. Time to self-destruct, forever.

[Bro, you are LIVING!!! in his house!!

Grumping melodrama aside, Leonardo just sighs.] Never realized how much I sanctified the stupid dumdum until he was alive again.

[The disrespect!!]

Grief has a tendency to colour one's memories, make them rosy and clean. It's why you rarely hear people say negative things at funerals.

[And boy has he ever seen a ton of funerals. Most of them have the same vibe. Whoever the person was in life, in death, there were no evil deeds to speak of.]

[Leonardo can't stop himself from sighing openly at that.] It's sure... a hard lesson, re-learning he's still a pain in the ass.

Siblings always are. You have to re-learn how to balance it, too.

[That comes neither easy nor quickly. It's part of the growing pains.]

And that means both of you.

I got too used to Mikey's level of being a pain in the ass. All his mystic guru-esq sayings... [He answers with a weak laugh.] Gotta get used to Donnie's bullshit again.

To him... we didn't lose that time. I spent years apart, and it hasn't been like that for him.

That does complicate things. How long was it?

[He didn't start seeing Casey for counselling until a while after his arrival, so the time difference could be different from what he recalls.]

There was a two year gap on my side of things. [He answers easily enough.] I need to figure out how to stop bringing it up and... letting it color things.

You can stop bringing it up, but the second part is impossible. Your world has changed, the colours shifted. They'll never be as they were before. What you need is to work together to find a new future together, in those colours.

[He turns the thought over in his mind, trying to commit that to memory.] It feels easier said than done. I want him to know I love him and missed him, but, it doesn't always-

[He cuts off the thought.] Work together to find a new future, okay. I can do that. We can do that.

[Caduceus pauses to let him finish, but at the cut-off, he makes a musing noise.]

It will be slow-going. Have faith in him, and yourself, but be patient. Slowly, Leo.

I'm going to try. [He means it, even if a bitter thought slips out.] I just need him to stop tanking his only relationships first. All he has is us and he's running.

He isn't ready to stop running yet. It's part of the process.

If I break his ankles, it might help. [He grumps back with a roll of his eyes at the thought of his twin.] I just... gotta be patient.

I can do patience. I've been so patient already.

Spoken like a man really feeling the patience.

[Or a man living on the edge of a breakdown.]

It's alright to need to vent. It can help you keep control in other aspects of your life, when it really counts.

[Why not both??]

You know me, an infinite well of patience.

Yeah, I know, all I can even do right now is vent. Vent and check on Casey given all of this is probably worse for him.

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